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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The 2012 Basketball Hall of Fame induction ceremony was held last night with Reggie Miller, Jamaal Wilkes and Ralph Sampson headlining those who made up this year’s class. Miller was a sure-fire Hall of Famer while the likes of Sampson and Wilkes were not so much. It is a Basketball Hall of Fame and not [...]</p><p><a href="http://thunderousintentions.com/2012/09/08/basketball-hall-of-fame-kevin-durant-russell-westbrook-future-hofers/">Basketball Hall of Fame: Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook future HOFers?</a> - <a href="http://thunderousintentions.com">Thunderous Intentions</a> - <a href="http://thunderousintentions.com">Thunderous Intentions - An Oklahoma City Thunder Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More</a></p>]]></description>
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<p>The 2012 Basketball Hall of Fame induction ceremony was held last night with Reggie Miller, Jamaal Wilkes and Ralph Sampson headlining those who made up this year’s class.</p>
<p>Miller was a sure-fire Hall of Famer while the likes of Sampson and Wilkes were not so much. It is a Basketball Hall of Fame and not one just for NBA accomplishments. The Hall respects more than just what you do on the court too as players like 2012 inductee Don Barksdale are enshrined for how they affected the sport as well.</p>
<p>From today’s crop of players, I imagine what you do on the court will be weighed more heavily as the game has evolved enough where that is how everyone’s legacy is now measured. It’s hard to think that the impact a player had at the collegiate level, will be remembered anymore otherwise players like J.J. Redick and Tyler Hansbrough will be getting a lot of consideration after they retire.</p>
<p>There’s also an interesting wrinkle now where the talent pool is much deeper than it has ever been. Considering some of the previous inductees, quite a large amount of current NBA players will surpass current HOFers in terms of accolades.</p>
<p>Which current NBA players are on a path to the Hall of Fame? Which ones will be borderline decisions when their time comes?</p>
<p><a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8344103/nba-which-current-players-course-hall-fame-someday">Bradford Doolittle of Basketball Prospectus</a> took a look at this using <a href="http://www.basketballprospectus.com/glossary.php?search=WARP">Kevin Pelton’s WARP system</a> as the litmus test for determining Hall worthiness. He figured that players with career WARPs of 100 or greater begin to enter the HOF conversation. Then if a player reaches 150 career WARP, they are essentially a guarantee to make the Hall.</p>
<p>Doolittle used also 5-year WARP projections to see where the current NBA players will rank historically in 2017. He came up with 15 no-doubt HOFers: LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Dwyane Wade, Kevin Durant, Steve Nash, Ray Allen and Pau Gasol.</p>
<p>This list shouldn’t surprise anyone as it basically comprises the most accomplished players in the NBA to date. LeBron is clear and away ahead of the pack while Gasol may seem like the one player who is not quite HOF-worthy as he brings up the rear.</p>
<p>Durant is the youngest player on the list having played just five seasons so far. According to the projections, Durant would be one of the youngest players to reach 150 career WARP.</p>
<p>Durant certainly feels like he is on pace for a HOF-worthy career but it is so early it’s hard to think about. This just goes to show how much he has already accomplished though and how impressive the numbers he has already put up are.</p>
<p>After these 15 players, it gets a little iffy with the next group of players who may end up becoming Hall-worthy. The top five are: Kevin Love, Josh Smith, Tracy McGrady, Elton Brand and Chauncey Billups. You can see already that you can easily make a case for any of these players to not become HOFers. Also on the list are players like Manu Ginobili, Vince Carter, Carmelo Anthony and Tony Parker.</p>
<p>Russell Westbrook ranks pretty highly on the list and is given a 57 percent chance of making it to the HOF. Westbrook has played just four seasons but some of the numbers he has put up are already among the best historically considering his age.</p>
<p>If you ask me, the only way Westbrook is getting to the Hall is with Durant. We know Durant will make it there and if Westbrook is his tag-team partner for more than a decade as we watch the duo win a few titles, then Westbrook’s chances of making it will rise that much more.</p>
<p>I think that’s how a lot of people view this young Thunder team too. They are a group that is poised to make a lot of noise with the history of the NBA, winning titles, awards and putting up huge numbers.</p>
<p>One player absent from the list is Derrick Rose, who is often compared to Westbrook and thought of as his superior. Rose projected to just an 85 WARP five years from now. Part of that may have to do with him missing so much of this past season with injury making his future a little more uncertain.</p>
<p>When you look at some of these other names, it looks like James Harden could enter the conversation sometime down the road. He finished just his third season in the league so far so five years from now would be a little soon at this point to start talking about Harden and the HOF.</p>
<p>Remember though, the HOF takes into consideration affecting the sport and what Harden has done with his beard has to give him a few more HOF points.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As LeBron James capped off quite the spectacular year with a gold medal win over Spain in the Olympics, it sparked the most popular debate in the sport of basketball: Who is the greatest player ever? Jim Boeheim got the ball rolling saying he used to think Michael Jordan was the greatest player ever but [...]</p><p><a href="http://thunderousintentions.com/2012/08/16/where-kevin-durant-fits-in-with-the-greatest-nba-player-ever-debate/">Where Kevin Durant fits in with the ‘Greatest NBA Player Ever’ debate</a> - <a href="http://thunderousintentions.com">Thunderous Intentions</a> - <a href="http://thunderousintentions.com">Thunderous Intentions - An Oklahoma City Thunder Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_4207" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 219px"><a href="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/157/files/2012/08/6335408.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-4207" title="NBA: Finals-Oklahoma City Thunder at Miami Heat" src="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/157/files/2012/08/6335408-209x300.jpg" alt="" width="209" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Steve Mitchell-US PRESSWIRE</p></div>
<p>As LeBron James capped off quite the spectacular year with a gold medal win over Spain in the Olympics, it sparked the most popular debate in the sport of basketball: Who is the greatest player ever?</p>
<p>Jim Boeheim got the ball rolling saying he used to think Michael Jordan was the greatest player ever but after spending six weeks with LeBron, was no longer sure about that.</p>
<p>Then everybody started voicing their opinions.</p>
<p>That’s enough about that though. What I’m curious about is where Kevin Durant fits in with all of this. When his career is over, where will we remember him on the hierarchy of greatest players ever?</p>
<p>Durant just finished his fifth season in the NBA so yes, it’s early on. But he’s already challenging LeBron in some respects and is widely considered the second best player in the NBA right now at just 23 years old. He won his third straight scoring title last season, has finished second in the MVP voting twice and has already led his team to the NBA Finals.</p>
<p>More than any other player in the NBA, Durant was put on earth to play basketball and to score in particular. But he’s not from the same mold as Jordan, LeBron or Kobe so we rarely talk about Durant as someone who could go down as the greatest ever. He’s been more one-dimensional so far in his career too, viewed as just a scorer who isn’t a great passer or defender yet.</p>
<p>Those things are all true and that’s why no one talks about him yet as a potential G.O.A.T. but he still has a very good chance to go down as a top ten or maybe even top five player ever.</p>
<p>Durant’s shot at being remembered that good will have a lot to do with team success. Right now he is part of the best young team in the NBA that is already good enough to compete for an NBA title. It’s easy to look at the Thunder as a team that will be able to compete for a championship for the next decade. They’ve been compared to and are modeled after the San Antonio Spurs, who won four titles in the Duncan era from 1998 until now. If Durant can do the same kind of thing in OKC, he will be remembered in a similar light as Duncan.</p>
<p>Durant also has a chance to go down as a historically great statistical player. He is obviously on pace to score about as many points as anyone ever. Durant’s game is still evolving though so it’s tough to know if he will be able to sustain being such a high-scorer later in his career.</p>
<p>To do this he will have to start going into the post more. He started doing this some last season and even implemented Dirk’s patented stepback jumper. If Durant can learn more from Dirk and develop the kind of post-up game Dirk has had these past few seasons, that would seem the most likely way to keep scoring at the clip he has been.</p>
<p>The top five scorers in NBA history right now are Kareem, Mailman, Jordan, Wilt and Kobe in that order. LeBron has a good shot to get into the top five by the end of his career. If Durant plays long enough, he has a really good chance to pass Malone and get within striking distance of Kareem or wherever Kobe ends up.</p>
<p>The other factor in determining Durant’s greatness is how good of a shooter he is. He has a legitimate chance to go down being remembered as the best shooter to ever play in the NBA. It’s something that isn’t debated about as much really because it’s hard to say what constitutes being the best shooter ever is.</p>
<p>We have Reggie Miller and Ray Allen who are known as the best 3-point shooters ever. Then there’s Bird, Dirk, Maravich and Nash who are often in the conversation. You can even make a case for a player like Steve Kerr as one of the best shooters ever.</p>
<p>Durant could define the debate with what he has a chance to do in his career. To be as skilled as he is at 7-foot tall with the kind of range he has is unprecedented. It would be hard for him to touch Reggie or Ray in terms of career threes made but he has a relatively easy chance to become third on the all-time list (now held by Jason Kidd).</p>
<p>Durant is a career 88 percent free throw shooter as well and shot just under 50 percent from the field last season. If he can string together some 50-40-90 shooting seasons while still scoring as much as he does, it will become tough to argue that he isn’t the greatest shooter ever.</p>
<p>So let’s say Durant wins like three NBA titles, retires as the league’s third all-time leading scorer, top five in points per game for his career and makes the third most threes all-time, that would put him right up there with some of the greats of all-time.</p>
<p>Again, it’s early and that’s a lot of pressure and expectations to meet but I kind of see that as his relatively conceivable ceiling. He’d end up right around Duncan-Shaq-Moses-West in the greatest of all-time rankings. I’d be good with that.</p>
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